I Don't Know If I Should Sell This Computer

"Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura" (sundowne36)
05/19/2014 at 01:08 • Filed to: None

Or overhaul it. Either way, I'm planning on a complete overhaul - CPU, Motherboard, GPU, everything. Even the case if I have to (should I run out of room).

But, right now, I just want to headbutt a road in anger.

I hate myself.

Also the last time I rely on an AMD CPU.

DISCUSSION (23)

StoneCold > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 01:10

What happened?

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > StoneCold
05/19/2014 at 01:14

Yeah ... huh? Been running a cheapo AMD system for a long time and it hasn't skipped a beat yet.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 01:25

I switched from Intel to AMD 6 years ago, and haven't gone back. I've always had issues with Intel chips, last one being a Core 2 Duo.

Axial > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 01:40

Specs? Issues?

Shady Balkan Subject, Drives an Alfa > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 02:41

Intel CPU and AMD GFX are currently the best options. Intel CPUs are just better in my oppinion and AMD really have stellar options when it comes to GPU with simillar characterisitcs to NVidia ones, but are cheaper.

promoted by the color red > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 03:02

I was in your position recently when my 2nd-gen i5 laptop started shitting the bed if I ran Solidworks FEA. Ended up piecing together a new desktop and the final parts will arrive tomorrow. It was supposed to start last week but Corsair sent me a defective case.

Good luck with your build/overhaul.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy
05/19/2014 at 03:49

I just couldn't use AMD because it's been nothing but trouble lately. Heck, Livestreaming and making a virtual console (virtualbox with Mac OS) is just the start of my issues - it felt like a cheapo BL product!

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > StoneCold
05/19/2014 at 03:49

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 04:17

Very odd indeed. I can understand the virtualbox issue, but livestreaming and whatnot, I'm a bit puzzled.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy
05/19/2014 at 04:40

Quite a number of people say it's best to go with the Intel i5/i7s. My CPU (with nothing running in the background) finds itself at 94% workload with livestream procraster. I am just about done with AMD.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 04:45

Must be some lower end chip, what is it? I have an FX-8350 that takes a lot to get bogged down. I also agree that Intel i5's and i7's are better, and are way out of the price range of most people.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy
05/19/2014 at 04:56

Phenom II X6 1100T.

DoubleDragon > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 05:07

I have godly experience with AMD chips, up to before the FX range, especially with the Phenom X6 range.

Your problem described is mainly MOBO issues. not chip related.

Is it an asrock mobo?

Your need a faster nforce chip if you dont have a graphics card.

also Virtualbox issues might due to your hard drive, either its crapping or its too large (3tb?) and has issue performance.

Try a single stick ram, if you are using virtualbox i am guessing you are using XP by the sounds of your pc setup? XP 32 bit doesnt go past 4gb anyway, single stick ram increases access speed and load speed, a smaller faster spinning hard drive which is primarily the bottleneck in a phenom setup.

or maybe your southbridge and northbridge is outdated via motherboard.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > DoubleDragon
05/19/2014 at 05:25

Except it's not my Mobo and I can't run OSX on virtual boxes.

AthomSfere > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 07:32

Hehe...

Well the Hackintosh issue is 100% a PEBKAC error... Seeing as it really isn't supposed to work on anything but Apple hardware. Also, why bother with OSX?

And if whatever issue you are having is hardware related, I doubt it is "because AMD".

Axial > DoubleDragon
05/19/2014 at 12:52

Lol, nForce. If you are serious about your AMD platform, you stick with the 990FX and its relatives. nForce hasn't really been a big deal since 2006 or so, and even the most recent nForce 900 series is just a rebranded 700 series. It's incredibly outdated.

As for ASRock, I've been using them for awhile now and have never had any issue apart from Windows installation backsass involving an SSD.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > AthomSfere
05/19/2014 at 13:27

Not sure if trolling or fucking stupid.

But I digress. It could run but it's not going to run very long. And I would like to use Garageband, kthx.

DoubleDragon > Axial
05/19/2014 at 16:24

OP problems are due to nforce chip possibly. that is what I meant.

Nah the FX platform just plain sucks for the money.

The SSD problems is due to needing a floppy disc drive to load the raid scsi drivers as there isn't an compatible drivers in the xp setup.

also the ASRock will blow lead of death into your living room. not to mention harmful caps. I know because I have sent the mobo for testing, my buddy even has xray spec and test reveals some interesting minerals in the mobo.

Axial > DoubleDragon
05/19/2014 at 16:34

To be clear, the 990FX is a motherboard chipset (and has cousins in the 990X, etc.), a better one than nForce. It has no direct relation to the FX-series CPUs other than that it supports them. It also supports the Phenom II. The FX CPUs as of Piledriver are also better than the Phenom CPUs; going from a Phenom II X6 1100T to an FX-8350 will net you significant performance benefits.

The SSD problem was actually the motherboard being derpy and needing to be reset to default settings...even though it was already at the default settings. No SCSI drivers needed. I was also not trying to install XP, it was Windows 7 Professional 64-bit.

The OP's problem is likely that AMD's platform doesn't have as wide of support for hardware virtualization as Intel.

AthomSfere > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 20:07

I am well aware it "can" run. Point is, it isn't supposed to. Apple has not only explictily put it in the EULA that is not acceptable to run OSX on anything besides Apple hardware, they have also made it, on purpose, less than trivial to do so.

The problem is obviously user error: user doing something far from the software vendor has designed it for. You can't blame AMD for your blunders.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > AthomSfere
05/19/2014 at 20:22

Except all of their CPUs have been Intel for years?

AthomSfere > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 21:21

And that is only one part of the equation. Intel and AMD also share and license instruction sets back and forth too (x86 is Intel's and x64 is AMD's for example).

Past that there are still differences that Apple has made sure make running their OS on anything but Apple hardware at the very least not an out of the box breeze. For example their implementation of EFI is not exactly the same as your general UEFI that ASUS or Gigabyte packages for off the shelf builders.

But, the important thing is the more you stray from an Apple machine the more difficult a running machine, or at least a stable machine is. Moving to an Intel Atom or AMD processor for example. This isn't the manufacturer's fault, but Apple's. Apple wan't you to spend 30% more on its hardware.

It has been over 10 years since I had to support an Apple network, and I don't miss it at all. Apple is all about setting the rules, and damn the user for having a different usage model. That said, I discourage Apple purchases any chance I get, but if you have a strong desire to run Garage Band without issue, buying Apple really is the best way to go. At worst the Mac Mini and a KVM, Synergy, or a some form of VNC would be worth the hassle of just letting the Apple be an Apple.

Oh, and the whole "It just works" marketing with Apple, if only it were true even it Apple's tightly controlled environment...

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
05/19/2014 at 23:03

That much of an upgrade... it already is a new computer. Don't bother dis-assembling the old one, just build the new one from parts in a new case, if you're just going to do it anyway.

Then the old computer is still assembled, and can be used for something else, or sold to someone who wants a cheap web browser or e-mail machine.